VIDEO: Rally Held in Support of Tea Party Marine Sgt. Gary Stein [Poll]

Citizens rallied near Camp Pendleton Thursday in support of Sgt. Gary Stein, who faces action for opposing the commander in chief.

Dozens of members of local conservative groups  rallied Thursday near Camp Pendleton's main gate in support of Sgt. Gary Stein — the Marine and Temecula resident who openly opposes his commander in chief.

He faces a possible discharge from the military, and told the North County Times that he is optimistic in the process.

Patch readers have sounded off on their thoughts of the Tea Party Marine. Their comments are below. Names have been inserted into parenthesis for clarity.

: Like him or not, (President Obama) is your commander in chief. We are a nation of laws and respect. If our servicemembers only followed President's they agreed with, we'd have a very undisciplined, unprefessional military. You're paid to defend democracy, not practice it.

: Daniel, you will not see me at the rally for Sgt Stein. He has committed a serious violation of the UCMJ which puts his loyalty to superiors in question. I would not denigrate his previous contributions to our freedon, but he cannot be trusted to follow orders, therefore he is not suitable for continued service in the military.

: As a WW-2 Marine Officer Vet. I think the rascal should be kept in the Corps. We need some out of the box NCO's aboard if the Corps is to survive. As a young Lt. and shortly after overseas I confronted a Capt. and sternly dis-obeyed his orders. As I was looking out after the welfare of the malaria stricken marines under my command. Turned out that he was a dip-shit in the Colonel's eyes too so I got away with it. I commend the opinion of this NCO. Keep him aboard.

: Whether people want to come up with silly propaganda about a birth certificate or religion, this man is our President. He'so your president, mine, and this soilders. This is dishonorable and he will be treated as such.

: I am not an Obama supporter, however he is the Commander in Chief and the Marine is out of line. When he is no longer in the military he is more than welcome to criticize him.

: Sgt. Gary Stein swore an oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. If Obama disregards, and in so doing, comes against, the Constitution, he should be seen as an enemy. The Constitution IS America. In my opinion, Sgt. Stein is cut from the same cloth as all American heroes who have gone before and are responsible for our freedom. If we run out of men like him, the countdown to the end of the greatest nation in the history of mankind will begin.

: No serviceman should be put into a position to where he must choose between obeying an order, or obiding by his oath to the Constitution.

What are your thoughts? Vote in the poll and tell us in the comments. You can email a letter to the editor to daniel.woolfolk@patch.com. Please include your full name and city of residence and limit it to 500 words.

Marine Wife April 01, 2012 at 06:01 PM
Bravo TVOR. Well stated.
TVOR April 01, 2012 at 08:10 PM
Wow, that was a very informative discussion and I think it clearly establishes that Sgt Stein has violated several sections of the UCMJ.
Cowboy April 02, 2012 at 05:31 AM
Bottom line: Every job I've worked in has rules & regulations that I've had to follow & the same applies to the military. So if you don't want to follow the rules & regulations which govern the United States Armed Forces then don't apply, this job's not for you. Semper Fi Wardogs!
Cowboy April 02, 2012 at 06:43 AM
David - I can't help but sit here & laugh when you say, "he put his life on the line." In case you didn't know, Stein's a weather guy, just like the ones you see on the morning and/or evening news except he reports his findings to his command who use the data to plan the daily missions. Anyone watching CNN on a daily basis probably seen more combat than Stein has in his career. As for officers, I seriously doubt they'd order a fellow Marine to run in front of machine gunfire or issue an unlawful order, first off, what good would a dead Marine be to the officer or his platoon, secondly, in Marine Corps boot camp the Private is taught the difference between lawful & unlawful orders. Yes, there are casualties of war which have been the result of friendly fire, miscalculations, etc., the term "Fog of War" comes to mind. However, I just can't see anyone placing someone's life in harms-way, the bond between those who have eaten the same dirt on the battlefield is very strong, if you can envision what I'm saying.
Cowboy April 02, 2012 at 06:44 AM
Cowboy April 02, 2012 at 06:57 AM
"I, Gary Stein, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. What part of the oath of enlistment don't you comprehend John? Please let me know, I'll be more than happy to explain it to you!
5150 April 02, 2012 at 01:00 PM
He hasnt disobeyed any order as of yet , he was simply stating a theorem. By the way its", Devil Dogs", derived from WWI in France
TVOR April 02, 2012 at 04:10 PM
David, it depends on how you look at it. The articles of the UCMJ are considered "standing orders", therefore, violating them constitutes failure to obey an order.
Cowboy April 03, 2012 at 01:25 AM
Teufel Hunden (German), Battle of Belleau Woods (1918 near the Marne River). Get off the stick pardner, you're preaching to the wrong choir. 25 years serving Uncle Sammy in my beloved Corps. I can honestly say, "been there & done that!" What's your track record? Semper Fi Wardogs, continue to march & stay in the fight! Ooh-rah...get some!
5150 April 03, 2012 at 01:42 AM
Semper Fi , Amen
Barbara R April 03, 2012 at 03:21 AM
Thank You TVOR for your well stated response. They say you learn something new everyday but actually, lately, it's hard to learn a darn thing with all of the arguing and name calling out there! Today is a good day for learning and civilized discourse.
Barbara R April 03, 2012 at 03:32 AM
I haven't finished reading your blog Oliver but I came back to say "Serving U.S. Citizen of the United States giving up their freedom in order to protect freedom." makes me fell a bit safer. Knowing that you guys are out there truely watching out for us is very nice. I hope the wars that these men are serving in are worth their sacrifice, of blood and sweat, and of liberty. I know they are sincere in their patriotism.
Barbara R April 03, 2012 at 03:36 AM
Well, the breaking news post above says that the "Tea Party" Marine is sueing his commanders... Looks like were are going to find out what the courts think of this too.
TexasVetgal April 03, 2012 at 04:52 PM
The Military has rules and regulations, and as a Vet myself, understand there must be limits to "how you represent yourself and your Branch of Service" He has the right to believe and post his grievence how hes sees fit, but he cant do it if it includes his affiliation with the Marine Corp or his Position (rank) within the Service. He's better off out of the Service anyway, as everyone knows Obama is not fit or Constitutionally Eligible to be President, and the Military has already proven they DO NOT adhere to Chain of Command nor do they Support the Constitution of the United States of America, this was made VERY clear by the imprisonment of Political Prisoner Col. Terry Lakin. They take orders and do what the Man sitting in the oval office tells them to do no matter his qualification. So dont look for loyality to our Constitution by the Military it no longer exists. I'd bet they still make those poor saps take the same Oath, but its all lies and bs. Welcome to "Obama's Totalitarian Marxist America" - Fight this Usurper and Tyrant, support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, Foreign and Domestic (aka Obama) support Joe Arpaio and the coldcase squad in charging Obama with Fraud and Forgery. -- TexasVetgal-- "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." -Thomas Jefferson
Barbara R April 05, 2012 at 05:45 AM
Part 1: There are many good points here. I think the Congress is waking up with L Panetta's testamony and the follow up Joint Congressional Resolution 107 which clearly states that Impeachment Proceedings will be triggered if Obama launches any unautherized war. Google it. They are trying to take back the power that they sold out in the last 13 years +, well 50. The main point that every citizen has seen is that we "elect" reps and then they do nothing that they were elected to do. The question is "WHY?" It's not broken folks, it's theater so we think they are addressing things but they are only doing what the UN and other NON AMERICANS want. They serve something else, and I no longer think it is "follow the money". Money buys what they want - POWER.
Barbara R April 05, 2012 at 05:54 AM
Part 2 I guess I agree with you but I don't think just getting rid of Obama will be the fix. We need to take control and oversee every aspect of our government, take back what has been sold to the UN (National Parks, etc) I also have more belief in the members of the military. Like Andrew Bacevich, google him or watch his video at Mass School of Law on YouTube. Clear headed and loyal to the people's Constitution. I truely hope that the Military can come to an awareness that these illegall wars are a form of defection to the UN as their government and Obama is a mouthpiece. What they ask these men to do is a Violation of the Highest Law of the Land. Why are the American people allowing it to happen? Please remember that the people you are defending are people who don't want these wars, but our government refuses to listen to us. No Law, no republic, no voice, no democracy. I just heard the title of an interesting book "Taxation by Misrepresentation" Who gets the money folks? Is it the country you were raised to love and serve or is it the UN agenda for, as Scientific American calls it "Global Governance" . Life free or die. I truely hope that our fighting forces are for the people because we really need them to be defending us, not offending emerging nations. I difinately support Sheriff Arpaio. I heard that evidence and I say look 'em up and undo all of his "Presidential" Decrees. Strike out NDAA 2012 sec 1031, end of freedom act. Google it, It's worth it. :-)
Virginia April 05, 2012 at 10:47 PM
TVOR.......You talk big and sound shallow. The military fight for freedom of speech but they do not have that privilege? Why have we never in history had this happen with any other president? Get real.....this is more than just what he "did or did not" say. This action is Un-American in itself. But it looks like our old fashioned values are going by the wayside lately. What if it does hurt a dedicated Marine and great American? This is sad for the Sgt, sad for the lack of support of his commanders, and worst of all, sad for America.
Tom April 06, 2012 at 02:26 PM
Every single person making a web post has proven Gary Stein's case: Freedom of speech.....right or wrong, kind or beligerant, knowledgable or not.....the living rights of any human can not be completely owned by any contract. To err is human and people have a right to change their minds.
jayHG April 06, 2012 at 06:38 PM
You're an ignorant birther, but that's being redundant.......
Barbara R April 06, 2012 at 10:31 PM
jayHG, Ignorance is a matter of lack of knowledge. I am now studying the Constitution, have watched the press conference and followed it up with other studies. You? Did you watch the video? Name calling is a knee jerk reaction on this issue it seems. I'm new to the topic but it's like people mock investigating what is happening in our Government. Who taught people to believe propaganda that they have never verified? TV? Go to whitehouse.gov and look at the thing yourself. Open it with Adobe Designer then come back and call me ignorant. Otherwise it shows that you have nothing to say. There are some really facinating things going on out there and you might be missing something very important. Happy Easter folks.
Marty Reeh April 07, 2012 at 06:31 PM
When you join the military, you surrender your rights to make remarks against the president, against the government, and against the country. If you want to make remarks like Stein's, you wait until you are a civilian. I'm anti military, but at least I know the rules. No free speech exists in the military. Period.
Ruthie Pfueller April 08, 2012 at 08:37 PM
The caption states This is not a scientific poll. Got that right. The question itself is biased. Should Sgt. Gary Stein be discharged for being anti-Obama? No, he should be discharged for violating the Department of Defense Directive
Ruthie Pfueller April 08, 2012 at 08:39 PM
TVOR no one stops to think what it would mean to have a military force behind any political party and leader...we would have a dictatorship then. And allowing things like this can lead to such a movement. There must be discipline in the ranks!
Ruthie Pfueller April 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM
quote:Virginia3:47 pm on Thursday, April 5, 2012 TVOR.......You talk big and sound shallow. The military fight for freedom of speech but they do not have that privilege? Why have we never in history had this happen with any other president? end quote We have never in our history had such a thing happen because never in history have we had a president treated so disrespectfully in general. President Obama has faults and has done some things wrong. A lot of presidents have, both sides of the fence. But this president has received the greatest amount of disrespect. What do you think the odds of ever having a black Republican President are? Slim to none? BTW I am white. The rules are there for all members of military units, regardless of their political affiliation. It is not un-american to ask our soldiers to respect their commander in chief. I remember someone saying after Obama was elected, "He is not the president I voted for, but he is my president now". If Stein is allowed to publicaly disrespect his Commander in Chief he is also allowed to publicly disrespect every other commander in his chain of command. And if he is allowed to do this so is every other soldier out there in every branch of the military. And if total disregard and disrespect is allowed, then what happens to our proud American Military then?
Chuck F. April 25, 2012 at 04:28 AM
Gary Stein is a product of an America that is a divided nation, and a divided nation cannot stand. The bible says give honor where honor is due. More than once, Obama has shown no respect to our flag, country, and the constitution by not placing his hand on his heart but keeping his hands at his side. By doing this he is not honoring those marines who have given their lives for basic freedoms that are in the Bill of Rights which need to apply to all servicemen who fight for this country. Our freedoms are vanishing at light-speed and if they are suppressed, then we will be like any other nation such as North Korea who may have shot someone like Gary Stein. Are executions next? America was built on liberty and breaking away from a tyrannical country - England. So let's continue to be a country that has those cherished liberties whether we offend or not. Chuck
TVOR April 25, 2012 at 03:24 PM
Never before in history have we had a president so questionable and openly disrespectful of America. The SOB went around apologizing to the world for the fact that the US has been a dominant force in the history of the modern world. We have held that position because of having presidents who did the right things for America. Every president has their faults but this one is the worst for our country in history. It saddens me that our people have become so uninformed or apathetic or whatever it is, that they would elect a person with no real accomplishments in life that would qualify them to be the president of our country. No matter what you believe about Obummer's birth, the guy clearly has contempt for the constitution of the United States and that alone makes him a poor choice.
5150 April 25, 2012 at 03:47 PM
I agree with TVOR, Nobama,
Stanley April 25, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Stein is a troublemaker and has no place in the military - the sooner he's kicked out the better. I have deep appreciation for real American patriots like the Navy Seals who risked their lives to kill Bin Laden. President Obama is another American patriot - as commander-in-cheif he gave the order to attack and kill Bin Laden. He'll get my vote.
Barbara R April 25, 2012 at 08:22 PM
A well said statement from someone who is aware and awake. Thank you!
Barbara R April 25, 2012 at 08:36 PM
TVOR, Now we getting down to brass tacks. " this one is the worst for our country in history. It saddens me that our people have become so uninformed or apathetic or whatever it is" The word is "decieved". The Amercan people have yet to acknowledge that the Political process has become a psychological manipulation fueled by money and the media. If the presidents that I have seen in office in my lifetime were all standing in a row I would have trouble picking two who did not say what they needed to say to get into office, and then fail to truely uphold their campaign promises. When you study the basics of Marketing and Public Relations you find that there is a lot of spin and flat-out lies that are fed to us daily. Our ablitity to DECERN the truth is broken. Maybe that is where we all need to start: Start searching for what rings true! Let that instinct grow and thrive until we will accept nothing less! ps; thanks for the comment, good words.


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